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Dispute
I've only done a small about of work on this, Pilates was invented by Joseph Pilates in 1912. He opened the first pilates studio in New York right after WW1. He published the first book on it in or around 1945. I quick Google search for Maria Pilates shows that she is an instructor who has been teaching the pilates method since 1989 - not the inventor of Pilates... But i'm willing to be proven wrong! ;)
OK what's with the Yoga picture that says it's a Pilates Class at the GYM??????????
What Was Going On Here?
I'm a fully certified Pilates instructor and I was shocked at how limited and promotional the article was. There were no references and no citations!! I just did a major clean up and took out the expressions like "..because our bodies should move." Physical Mind and other methods have made so many additions to Joesph Pilates' original ideals that it's advisable that said institutions start their own page where their own refinements of the method (eg: fundamentals, head floats, pelvic floor, standing pilates, ball rolling) can be covered. To the Wiki talk please install anti-vandal html! Thanks Catherine Huebscher 23 January 2007
There is no "Maria Pilates". There's Maria Winsor and Maria Leone, both (famous) teachers of pilates, but neither one has ever claimed to invent pilates.
German-American
Some-one deleted "German-American." Why? Pilates was born in Germany and emigrated to the U.S. according to a number of sources, so it seems correct. It is also mildly relevant (this sort of info is regularly included in Wik articles).Kdammers 02:44, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
Wouldn't that make him "German" and not "German-American"?74.130.8.62 14:53, 24 March 2007 (UTC)KR
Self-contradictory
In an early paragraph, the article says it was developed for injured soldiers. Later, the article says it was first developed for injured dancers. Am I missing some-thing here? Kdammers 02:48, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
Pilates was not developed for injured people only. it was used with injured soldiers and for injured dancers, but many of Joe's clients were not injured. he made up exercises as he went along, as well as developed his equipment, over many years. you can say the method was always a work in progress.
Joseph Pilates developed his method for physical conditioning and when he was interned during the first world war in England he started to develop some equipment ideas that eventually turned into the Reformer and Cadillac apparatus. He was first brought to the US in 1926 by a boxing promoter. His original studio on 8th ave. in the 50's was close to the old Madison Square Garden. It was not until the late 1930's that the dance world discovered Joe Pilates and his method. The bulk of Joe's clients were average people that wanted a good workout. Just as today most pilates students are not injured dancers or athletes but regular people looking for a great workout.
Is this NPOV?
I'm pretty new to Wikipedia, so I don't want to change things that shouldn't be touched. I have to say, though, that the last couple of paragraphs of this article reads (to me) more like an in "insiders" guide to pilates than an encyclopedia entry on the topic. Those paragraphs refer readers to a reasonable (but insider) article on choose a studio and, more troubling, the "best source for information" on Pilates, a site specifically dedicated to a "purist" view of pilates. (This last is was triggered my suspicion that the article is not free of bias.)
Missing entirely from the article are discussions of the actual benefit of pilates, any dangers or shortcomings, commentary on pilates as a fad, false or extravagant claims made by some practitioners, and the like.
I agree completely and totally, and while we are at it, the reference to "gravity Pilates" is totally uncalled for, if it is called for, then we shoulod probably be listing Poolates, Cardiolates, and Yogilates as well...
link to major pilates organization
the link to the PMA is actually the one the public needs. there are too many people out there who claim to teach Pilates but don't, and they injure the public. if you know Pilates, you know you want the real thing, just like you want a real (pure) doctor. this organization has thousands of members world wide, as I discovered, so it serves a huge community, not one individual.�
Do you have any evidence that your loyalty to the "real (pure)" Pilates is justified? It certainly sounds as if you've decided that "the public" needs a link that points them to a site supporting your ideology. I have edited the text to make it less obviously NPOV while still maintaining the link. I have also removed several links from the External Links section that simply redirected to private studios or referral services but offered no further insight (from an encyclopedic view) on the technique.Britomart 17:21, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
First of all, I do. I have been doing Pilates for 22 years and have been teaching it since 1988. I have seen many many versions of Pilates. What is your background in this field? No! NO1 NO! you are confusing some organizations here!!! The PMA is an inclusive organization that embraces the many disciples of Pilates who have taken the “masters” work and spread it with their own take on it. Take a moment to visit the website. It is an International organization. This includes traditional Pilates; rehab Pilates, contemporary Pilates, etc. Do not confuse the PMA with the Pilates Guild, which does not recognize Pilates’ other disciples. What the PMA is concerned with is standards! If you don’t adhere to the Pilates principals, and your knowledge is not deep (as in weekend certification)- don’t teach it. The public needs to know the difference. With the upcoming national certification exam- anybody can take it- and get up to standards. Standards of safety and integrity of the method. Will you visit a doctor who took only a weekend class and calls himself a doctor? I'll be happy to eleborate if you want, Britomart. Hilikp 21:30, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
Hilikp--Thanks for the update. I really like the current edit, which I think really shows what you mean without resulting in any possible misunderstanding. I believe the article as it now reads reflects what you say here, whereas before it was a bit difficult to understand. Britomart 15:00, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
The PMA is not the only organisation that does full Teacher Training, basically any organisation that allows a weekend course should be excluded but there are other organisations including the Pilates Foundation UK who have fully developed teacher training courses. the current edit is fine as it points out the need for full teacher training courses, not just weekend ones. To enforce what Britomart has said, badly trained people practicing pilates as teachers are dangerous!
pilates was NOT used originaly for dancers rehab
this keeps coming up, but it is wrong.Hilikp 21:29, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
pilates principles
proper alignment, centering, concentration, control, precision, breathing, and flowing movement are the pilates principles. they are key to the method.they are not just a style ot spech.Hilikp 21:29, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
how does one start a new page? lets say- we make the Pilates Principles a link, make a page titeld the Pilates Principles and we have a bit on each one? Hilikp 22:00, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
Criticisms section
I've added a "criticisms" section to this article. I am not actually in sympathy with many of the criticisms nor do I find most of those that I find on point to be of great importance; but this article has been very one-sided in the past. Hopefully this will balance the article better, but I'd really like to see a different result come of it. This article could be greatly improved if someone with a good knowledge of Pilates as it is currently practiced would write a detailed explanation of what Pilates actually is. The basics are here, but they seem awfully brief for such a significant social topic. --Jeff Medkeff | Talk 18:10, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
Your "criticisms" paragraph has no place here. It’s amazing to me that so many people who have no idea what Pilates is have so much "criticisms" to add. No other form of exercise gets "criticisms" on its page. It is completely out of place and in many parts completely false! "Critics allege that Pilates deliberately associated his New York studio with dancers for marketing reasons" You have no clue what Pilates is, or what kind of person he was. Talk about biases! Pilates was a man of a certain generation. He and his contemporaries exchanged ideas and helped each other develop. He based many of his exercise on yoga. This is not a secret. He did not care if you think he was original or not. He wanted you (the world) to move! your whole paragraph is concerned with the MARKETING of Pilates today not to be confused with the Pilates Method!!
Jeff or anyone is welcome to create a page offering critics of different exercises. It has no room as a paragraph on the page of this method. Jeff’s problem with the MARKETIN of Pilates is his problem, and he can create a separate page talking about how marketers hype stuff up ( remember TyBo?) . Find articles and link to them, great. We have one already, find more if you must, but first, know what you are talking about!! this paragraph has NO room here.
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